France '40 bridge

[Hektor]

Full Campaign Fall Guelb
Map : France_Holland_Inundations_Extended_New.map


Hey all,

I wonder how you guys manage to transfer the 2. Panzer division on it's initial moove from Vianden (Luxemburg 384, 396) to Tintange (Belgium 347,403) ?

The path leads to hex 370, 395 which has a medium bridge only. Although some units of the 2. Panzer may cross this bridge, it prevents movement of any tracked units includig the whole Pz Brigade.

Obviously a bridge could be constructed there, but that is non historical. It could lead to a huge delay for the the bridge to be set up.
Also there is no alternative way but to bump into neighbough's path.

So my questions :
1 - Do you know a way to go through this rollbahn ?
2 - Is there a way to upgrade the bridge in 370, 395 from medium to heavy ?

Have a good day,
H.

[J_Irons]

The Historical path of 2.Panzer-Division was the northen one of the picture according to "The breaking point - R. A. Doughty" and to "Blitzkrieg in the west - J. P. Pallaud" and other sources / maps and there is no evidence that the tanks were diverted to the south but I suspect that this part of the division was diverted to the south (after asking the permission to XIX.AK), this would justify the great delay and distance betwen the SR and PR in the attack of the 11 May to Libramont / Recogne.

So coming back to the game, you can use this "strategy" but do not mess with the 1.Panzer-Division path... in other words give always priority to 1.Panzer-Division as in real life!

Enjoy

[Plain Ian]

If all the 2nd Panzer followed the northern route then the bridge at Viandem/Roth should be shown as a Heavy Bridge? Not Medium?

If the 2nd Panzer armour took the southern then it must have moved south on the west (edit: sorry I meant east) bank and used the Wallendorf bridge which I assume is a Heavy Bridge and is the only one available to allow armour to cross?

I do not have F'40 but Bulge'44. In Bulge'44 both Roth and Wallendorf are Heavy but start the game damaged.

[J_Irons]

Hi Plain Ian,

we are talking about the bridge between Hosheid and Boushied to reach Goesdorf, which was the historical route of 2.Panzer-Division

Coming to your questions:

- the bridge at Viandem is an Heavy Bridge
- the bridge at Wallendorf is an Heavy Bridge (it may be used by 2.Panzer-Brigate as an alternative route, but there is no historical evidence)

PS: I suggest you to buy France 40, in my opinion the most incredible military operation of all the times. F'40 is a greater sicklecut comapring to the Bulge 44.

Cheers

[Hektor]

Hey J-Irons,

Thanks for the post!
Excellent map and would be glad to get the full fall Gelb one as your's seems to be an extract of a bigger one. Is it downloadable somewhere?

Obviously your recommendation (Pz to South way) works fine. Thank you!

But this is hardly historical (no account mention it) and I doubt that Guderian would have accepted that the 1st Panzer Rollbahn be cut by the 2. Panzer. The early moves being so important. So I maintain that the Rollbahn 1 you describe correctly is the good one and was definitely suitable for heavy traffic.
Of course I would change my mind in front of any demonstration of the contrary.

Thanks again for your help!

[Plain Ian]

Oops apologies. I jumped in as usual without checking what the problem was. I assumed it was the bridge at Roth that was the problem.

Yes that area is a nightmare for the Germans in 44 as well with only a few Medium and a Light/Rail bridge available. Plus the La Sure river dividing the line of advance.

Maybe there is a case for German early war tanks like the Pz I (6 tons) and Pz II (8.8 tons) to be treated as Motorised and be allowed to use Medium Bridges?

F40 is attractive though and will no doubt come up in the sales. <G>

Ian

[J_Irons]

Hey J-Irons,

Thanks for the post!
Excellent map and would be glad to get the full fall Gelb one as your's seems to be an extract of a bigger one. Is it downloadable somewhere?

Obviously your recommendation (Pz to South way) works fine. Thank you!

But this is hardly historical (no account mention it) and I doubt that Guderian would have accepted that the 1st Panzer Rollbahn be cut by the 2. Panzer. The early moves being so important. So I maintain that the Rollbahn 1 you describe correctly is the good one and was definitely suitable for heavy traffic.
Of course I would change my mind in front of any demonstration of the contrary.

Thanks again for your help!

Hi Hektor,

if you are still interested to the map, take a look at the AAR - Unternehmen Fall Gelb.

Uploaded the map of May, 10

cheers

J Irons